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[lx308]

Whats the general consensus on how the door belts should be fitted onto a 2 door LJ?
With the tab fitted in behind the 1/4 window frame as pictured, or with the tab up the other end of the door sitting against the rear door frame?

[S pack]

^^^^ You've got it right Tony. 

[lx308]

That's what I thought too Dave.
The parts book shows it differntly, & doing it the way I have omly works well for the drivers side, as then Rares Spares door belt is made wrong for the left side.
It's not a mirror image of the right side. The sealing lip is mirrored, but the rest of the strip is the same, which doesn't work when using the clips as the angles are all wrong.
Rares are telling me to fit them around the other way, which means their part numbers are incorrect for left & right, it also doesn't look right to me.

#@$^%& if I know

[S pack]

Sorry Tony I don't quite follow what you mean by the sealing lip is mirrored but the rest of the strip is the same?

I compared the Rare Spares LC/LJ 2dr outer belt weatherstrips when they first produced them back in the early 1990's with the OEM weatherstrips and they were a very good copy.

 

This pic of your left hand door weatherstrip looks correct.

 

BTW the pic in the LC & LJ parts catalogues is of HB Torana. I don't believe the strip fits any differently in a HB compared to LC/LJ but the drawing gives the impression the tab of rubber at one end of the strip should go at the rear end of the door not at the door division channel.

Edited by S pack, 03 November 2017 - 06:38 PM.

[lx308]

The bottom part of the strip, where the clips go, is the same as the right side, not mirrored.
Meaning that what is facing the outside of the door on the right side of the car is facing the inside of the door on the left side. The strips are angled & have little ribs which stop it from being a good fit on the left side.
Hard to explain

[S pack]

Just had a look at an OEM left hand belt weatherstrip to refresh my memory and it looks exactly like the Rares left hand strip in your pic.

[lx308]

Have a look at a r/h one to compare?

[S pack]

If you lay both strips on a table/floor etc with the lip that seals against the door glass touching the table/floor then the right hand strip looks the same as the left but the rubber tab is at the opposite end.

 

I will get a pic of both left and right strips later for you.

Edited by S pack, 03 November 2017 - 06:43 PM.

[lx308]

So what happens when you turn the strip around so both tabs are at the same end?

[S pack]

Some pics of OEM HB/LC/LJ/TA 2dr outer belt weatherstrips. They are used but I chose to use them as they still have contact cement on them where they glue to the metal of the door skin.

You can see the metal spine of one strip has partially rusted away.

These weatherstrips were purchased new from Eagers Holden in 1982 and were fitted to my LJ from 1982 to 1996.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hope this helps you Tony

 

Cheers

Dave.

Edited by S pack, 03 November 2017 - 10:19 PM.

[lx308]

Thanks Dave.
To me, they're mirrored, or opposites. The last pic shows it best.
If you were to lay the 2 rare spares belts against each other like that they would fit into each other. Like spoons. Which make the left belt not fit as good as the left.

Edited by lx308, 03 November 2017 - 10:47 PM.

[S pack]

Thanks Dave.
To me, they're mirrored, or opposites. The last pic shows it best.
If you were to lay the 2 rare spares belts against each other like that they would fit into each other. Like spoons. Which make the left belt not fit as good as the left.

So going by my last pic you say the rares belts would be spooning. So in that senario would the rubber tabs be at the same end or opposite ends?

[lx308]

Same ends

[S pack]

Same ends

Sounds like they gave you two L.H or two R.H strips? 

 

In this pic the strip at the bottom of pic is for the left hand door.

Which of the strips in the pic best matches your left hand door strip?

Edited by S pack, 03 November 2017 - 11:21 PM.

[lx308]

The sealing lip which runs on the glass is the correct way round. The mounting part of the belt is the same on both belts. Not mirrored like those in the pics

[S pack]

Tony, please put up a couple of pics of your left hand door weatherstrip taken end on like these.

 

 

 

[lx308]

Will do Dave.
I'll also try to get Brent from Rares to send me a photo of new left & rights together. I'm not keen on removing my right side unless I really need to.

[lx308]

Pics Dave

[lx308]

Pics Dave

A couple more

[S pack]

Thanks for the pics Tony. 

That weatherstrip looks correct to me and should fit a left hand door.

Could there be an issue with the mounting flange at the top inner of the door skin?

Is the left hand door wearing a genuine/original or aftermarket skin?

[lx308]

Left door is a Rares skin, which fitted well & had no issues. The right door is a Waddingtons skin which was a heap of shit from the beginning & had quite a few issues. The belt fits fine on the drivers side.
The fit on the left side is absolute crap. The tab won't stay in place, if you can get a clip or 2 on theres quite a gap between the door top & the belt.
Wish I had a right side to show how the lower part of the moulded folds are the same for both sides, which puts the belt on the wrong angle.
I'll chase Rares & get them to compare.

Thanks for the info Dave.
Much appreciated.

[S pack]

Can you put up a pic of the weatherstrip mounting flange on the RSP left hand door skin?

Sounds like the door skin is the problem not the weatherstrip.

[lx308]

Any good?

[S pack]

Hard to tell much from those pics but in the second pic the top edge of the skin looks rather thick or bulbous where the metal folds over to form the inner flange. Maybe just an optical illusion. 

[lx308]

It might be too, Dave. Hard to tell as can't compare with the drivers side.
Oh well, buy a new tube of sikaflex & make it fit the best it can.