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[hanra]

I wonder hoe much archival stuff GMH still had there stashed away? Would be good if it saw the light of day. 

[308 Sunbird]

Hope it all gets saved.

[Zook]

They will be 10 times better than the over priced Ford, Holden and Toyota’s they were building in Australia.

True. We bought my wife a new X3 3L 6cyl diesel with all the options last year. It's a beautiful vehicle which goes handles and stops like you'd expect from BMW. Worth every cent. No-one does quality engineering and luxury like the Germans.

[Ice]

No and probably never will. I was thinking of buying a M3 but got scared. 
 
I have a new VW Golf R, walked in dealership and bought without ever sitting in any Golf. It stops well, turns like a go kart, 300hp with beautiful DSG gearbox, faster than a Holden LS3 commodore and run 12 sec 1/4’s out the box. To buy a SS Commodore or HSV I needed to pay more money for lots less of a car. 

See what your VW is worth compared to the value of VF SS LS3 ute is in 5 years time
Get ready to take a hit

All Euro cars devalue real bad now the more you pay the more you lose fact

[Zook]

See what your VW is worth compared to the value of VF SS LS3 ute is in 5 years time
Get ready to take a hit

All Euro cars devalue real bad now the more you pay the more you lose fact

Yeah maybe, but it doesn't matter if you don't intend to sell it. And in the mean time you get to drive a quality car instead of a shitbox.

[Ice]

Yeah maybe, but it doesn't matter if you don't intend to sell it. And in the mean time you get to drive a quality car instead of a shitbox.

One day you will sell everybody does
What you class as a shitbox do tell
because i have to friends with BMWs
overated just like Dr Terry said

[Zook]

Haha Gene, second hand stories don't count. BMW, worth every cent if you can afford it.

[Ice]

Haha Gene, second hand stories don't count. BMW, worth every cent if you can afford it.

Each to their own i spose

[Chips]

am watching police academy 2 on 7mate sydney and lloyds auctions ad is showing. ' if you own a pre 1984 holden - do not sell your car- repeat do not sell your car, call lloyds auctions.


 

[Chips]

Haha Gene, second hand stories don't count. BMW, worth every cent if you can afford it.

 

 

is a bmw like a benz? they seem to be for me but i only ever looked at the m3 4l v8 then the 33X somethign and c63 when 63 meant 6.3l v8. now from what i figure it means a badge.
I ended up going a 370z and putting ecutek in and some butterfly exhaust and suspension stuff after that. so much more fun. it seemed to give more options at waaaaaay less cost.
the mrs maybe is a benzo employee so can get a free c200 but both she and i don't really like em and maybe they give you some cash if you don't take that offer so she's continuing to be a happy honda jazz daily driver.
work colleague traded his blue car for x3 i think it was a mazda sedan but they're all the same.

Each to their own i spose

[StephenSLR]

All Euro cars devalue real bad now the more you pay the more you lose fact

All cars devalue real bad, yeah, some worse than other but due to this, I can't see myself ever buying a new car even though I could afford one. Would consider up to 3 years old if I were to buy 'newish'. Plus, that new car smell is toxic and takes some time to outgas.

 

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Edited by StephenSLR, 21 February 2020 - 08:04 PM.

[Chips]

The foundation of the car industry is customers who just want something that gets from A to B as cheap as possible and of course they'll choose whatever looks best in their price range. The sporty models really only cater for the aficionado though that's not to be understated as they're usually the flagship that sells more low end product.

 

It's really odd, Commodore wins Bathurst so we'll rush off to buy a Camira from Holden, hahaha.

 

 

 

 ...  a.k.a. priceless

 

 

That's the rule of thumb here for all the Euro sports cars; Ferraris, Porsches, etc. If you're going to buy one, choose one with as little mileage as possible. Some are going very cheap here but restoring them will send you broke.

 

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yeah for sure finally some understands

my lx hatchback is priceless.

I only really like laferrari seeing it up close that's a masterpiece. the rest they make are road cars can get a free lesson from nissan r35.

I also only like air cooled 911's, 944's and 928's still cheap here compared to worldwide

[RallyRed]

just hope Aussies dont treat all your/ our jobs like we treated Holden.
i.e. can do better elsewhere, not good enough, doesnt suit me, too expensive......etc etc.
Will all be down at Centrelink with the poor buggers who worked at Holden ...and got told all that....

Edited by RallyRed, 21 February 2020 - 08:34 PM.

[StephenSLR]

just hope Aussies dont treat all your/ our jobs like we treated Holden.

We've been through all this before, we lost our electronics, whitegoods, etc. Some great brands went the same way: AWA, Rank Arena, PYE, Email, etc. and GM-H even built fridges once upon a time.

 

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[Zook]

is a bmw like a benz? they seem to be for me but i only ever looked at the m3 4l v8 then the 33X somethign and c63 when 63 meant 6.3l v8. now from what i figure it means a badge.
I ended up going a 370z and putting ecutek in and some butterfly exhaust and suspension stuff after that. so much more fun. it seemed to give more options at waaaaaay less cost.
the mrs maybe is a benzo employee so can get a free c200 but both she and i don't really like em and maybe they give you some cash if you don't take that offer so she's continuing to be a happy honda jazz daily driver.
work colleague traded his blue car for x3 i think it was a mazda sedan but they're all the same.

Each to their own i spose

Yes, BMW are like MB. Low end cars are similar. High end cars are similar. 3 series are less boring than C200. M3 are more exciting. M4 and C63S are more exciting again and to be honest if you want to drive something with a badge that goes fast then this is what you should buy. Or an R35 GTR, M5 or AMG GT. There's a reason these cars cost between $170 and $350k and that's because they do everything very well straight off the showroom floor. Off the floor the 370 is not in the same league...and doesn't have the badge. Don't worry that the M3 no longer has a V8, the current car is better. Same with the 4L biturbo C63S, it's a better and faster car than the 6.2 it replaces. The general public don't give a shit about Nissans or Toyotas. If it's got a Mercedes AMG, BMW or Audi S badge on it then people will notice. And you have a genuinely fast car to boot. And drag times don't interest me.  

[Ice]

All cars devalue real bad, yeah, some worse than other but due to this, I can't see myself ever buying a new car even though I could afford one. Would consider up to 3 years old if I were to buy 'newish'. Plus, that new car smell is toxic and takes some time to outgas.
 
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No not all cars Stephen
certain cars dont lose a lot of money over the first 5 years
but some lose double than other cars in that same period
i was in the process of selling my 5 year old ute got offered really good money but decided against it
Lets face it no one is ever going to make a ute with that much power reliabilty and comfort ever again

[StephenSLR]

The general public don't give a shit about Nissans or Toyotas.

But that's exactly what the general public are buying. You have this misconception that us car guys are the general public; we are not. The general public will look at a Camaro and say 'nice Mustang' (I've heard this from Camaro owners), they can't tell you what an AMG or R35 is, let alone the year model your car is or even whether it's an LC or LX.

 

Us car guys are the minority.

 

No not all cars Stephen
certain cars don't lose a lot of money over the first 5 years
but some lose double than other cars in that same period

I'm speaking 'in general', all new cars lose money. The moment they hit the road with your name on it, kiss away a few thousand dollars.

 

Yes you're correct there are exceptions that maintain their value very well and like I said, some lose more than others but my comment was more along the lines of 'value for money' this is why I said I'd chose up to 3 years if I were going to buy new. It's had that first major drop in price and will keep steady for a few years yet, then they usually experience another decline but if you're lucky they may start climbing once they've hit rock bottom and that's a gamble, it can take decades to beat its ticket price and when you account for inflation, they're not the best investment.

 

I hear guys saying I shouldn't've sold my Torana, etc. when they talk about what they're worth these days but they sold in order to put down a mortgage and for most, their house was the better investment.

 

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Edited by StephenSLR, 22 February 2020 - 06:19 AM.

[S pack]

Haha Gene, second hand stories don't count. BMW, worth every cent if you can afford it.

Tell that to the young couple living across the road from me. They own a 316 that they bought new. Only because her parents insisted she will be safer in a BMW.

Just out of warranty the turbo shit itself. The dealer charged them 10k to replace it. I nearly fell over, TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS.

Told them you'd have been better off just taking the car down to Wanless and leaving it there.

They said they will sell the BMW in the not too distant future and will not be buying another one, ever.

 

Funny thing is the car is now back at the dealer a month later to have a coolant leak fixed. Another 2.5k sucked from their bank account.

Edited by S pack, 22 February 2020 - 07:23 AM.

[StephenSLR]

Just out of warranty the turbo shit itself. The dealer charged them 10k to replace it. I nearly fell over, TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS.

This was how the Japanese wormed their way into our car market with very cheap cars. People snapped them up but the moment something broke you paid through the nose. They made the bulk of their profits not on the cars but on the spare and replacement parts; it was very cunning.

 

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[Dr Terry]

No and probably never will. I was thinking of buying a M3 but got scared. 
 

I have a new VW Golf R, walked in dealership and bought without ever sitting in any Golf. It stops well, turns like a go kart, 300hp with beautiful DSG gearbox, faster than a Holden LS3 commodore and run 12 sec 1/4’s out the box. To buy a SS Commodore or HSV I needed to pay more money for lots less of a car. 

Yes but the problem with German cars, VW & Audi in particular, you just can't afford to own them outside warranty. The collapse of all the plastic cooling system components alone will keep you poor.

 

You can own an old Commodore SS for much longer than that. There are advantages in owning & servicing "dinosaur" technology.

 

Dr Terry

[axistr]

I have has six BMW's and have been very impressed with all but one. I recently traded in our E90 V8 M3, had it for ten years and never had to do anything but a few batteries and oil & filters. Recently purchased a new F80 M3, didn't like going back to a 6 banger (3lt) but its so much quicker than the V8. Its an incredible machine. I was going to hold onto the old V8 M3 but the Mrs wanted a change. I drove my son in-laws VF Walkinshaw for an hour then got back into my M3, couldn't believe how much better the M3 was, no comparison. The commodore is a good bang for buck but no where close the  BMW package. And at the end of the day there wasn't that much difference in cost if your driving a hard bargain. There was $23,000 difference between dealers.

 

One thing that really pisses me off is people that bag the brand that  have never owned one and will always bring up stories of a mates mate that had a BMW that cost a fortune to fix. Well all I can say is I have had a good run and covered 180.000 km in most of them before I sold them, and any parts I purchased for them were the same or cheaper than buying the same part for a Holden Commodore. And they are easy to work on if you know what your doing. Its no wonder Holden adopted so many engineering designs from BMW when the VE was developed. 

 

The last new Holden I bought new was a VC Brock commodore. It was at the dealers more often than in my driveway, it was a total piece of Shit, turned me off buying another Holden and never committed to any more. Just going to hold on to the Torries as they will be the only Holden's I will own. 

[Ice]

Lenny the stories of people bagging out german cars in general is true i got told if you are going to buy german cars make sure you buy them new
my mate bought a brand new Audi 120K had a few dramas of the 5 years he owned it
went to trade it in after 5 years they offered him 30K
he lost his shit at the dealers at told them its the last german pos he will ever buy
lets face its a Audi rebranded VW

[S pack]

One thing that really pisses me off is people that bag the brand that  have never owned one and will always bring up stories of a mates mate that had a BMW that cost a fortune to fix.

There will not be one brand with at least one model of vehicle that some owners don't have some sort of ongoing mechanical and/or repair cost horror stories about. You are happy with the BMW brand, good for you.

No I have never owned a BMW, I was just passing on the story of what has happened to my neighbour in relation to their BMW. They are not happy.

Edited by S pack, 22 February 2020 - 09:10 AM.

[StephenSLR]

There will not be one brand with at least one model of vehicle that some owners don't have some sort of ongoing mechanical and/or repair cost horror stories about.

At least!

 

Not only that there's probably cars from every model from every manufacturer that have been absolute lemons.

 

QA people are only human and mechanical electrical components aren't always 100% straight out of the box or become faulty soon after sale. That's why there's warranties.

 

Of course some QA and components will be better than others but the better they are the more you have to pay. Companies expect a percentage of defects, it's up to them to adjust their QA to a level that's acceptable compared to the sale price.

 

You get what you pay for in most instances but there's no way to eliminate 100% of problems and you can't judge a model on a few bad examples; look up 'anecdotal evidence'.

 

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