49 replies to this topic

[rexy]

So getting back to the non original engine on this “100% correct “ car......what happened to the original? Or if you are claiming it’s the original what evidence do you have?

[meanmachine72]

So getting back to the non original engine on this “100% correct “ car......what happened to the original? Or if you are claiming it’s the original what evidence do you have?

JH 245505

JP 204096

ALJ-11046-B

Body 11041-B

trim 40X

Built 21/8/72

Sold August 72 by dealer 612...Suttons Motors Homebush New South Wales

Paint 567-13885

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JL 201902

JP 147384

Built 15/5/72

Sold May 72 by Dealer 651...Flight Motors..Loxton South Australia

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rexy he can not claim this is wrong, funny how the guy who checked it at club dont have the basic tools in front of him like the vin disc to confirm.

car is for sale and stated its 100% correct..well its not 100% correct as stated in advert, cause its missing its factory fitted 8/72 motor from Brisbane JP 204096 and replaced with a Adelaide Factory motor 5/72 JP 147384 thats in the car now...and any one thinks the stamping Of JP 147384 strange looking? so whats the cast date on that JP 147284 motor? and then you would need to see what cast date is on head and that if its an XU-1 head at all..even the Holden historical production report says it came from factory with JP 204096..its a very nice car but its not 100% as stated in muscle car sales advert..owner really needs to own the engine number change

[Kockum]

AMCS need to do lift their game.  Many on here have seen -

 

No LJ XU1 cylinder head of any vintage. 

 

Wrong engine fan and alternator pulley

 

Drivers side front fender treatment - Brisbane

 

Passenger side front fender treatment - Adelaide.

 

Looks very nice Johnno but must be priced too high for what you get as has been on the market since early October 2020.

 

Shoot me down if you like but I am being honest about this car.

[Kockum]

I messed up - been for sale since early November 2020

[Claud]

So getting back to the non original engine on this “100% correct “ car......what happened to the original? Or if you are claiming it’s the original what evidence do you have?

You clearly have missed quoted Mike Selby‘s add, he does not claim the car is 100% correct and as for the motor he does not claim that it is the original JP engine. If you bothered to do your home work which you Cleary have not you would see he provided all the necessary information. 

[Claud]

JH 245505

JP 204096

ALJ-11046-B

Body 11041-B

trim 40X

Built 21/8/72

Sold August 72 by dealer 612...Suttons Motors Homebush New South Wales

Paint 567-13885

download (8).png

 

JL 201902

JP 147384

Built 15/5/72

Sold May 72 by Dealer 651...Flight Motors..Loxton South Australia

download (9).png

 

rexy he can not claim this is wrong, funny how the guy who checked it at club dont have the basic tools in front of him like the vin disc to confirm.

car is for sale and stated its 100% correct..well its not 100% correct as stated in advert, cause its missing its factory fitted 8/72 motor from Brisbane JP 204096 and replaced with a Adelaide Factory motor 5/72 JP 147384 thats in the car now...and any one thinks the stamping Of JP 147384 strange looking? so whats the cast date on that JP 147284 motor? and then you would need to see what cast date is on head and that if its an XU-1 head at all..even the Holden historical production report says it came from factory with JP 204096..its a very nice car but its not 100% as stated in muscle car sales advert..owner really needs to own the engine number change

This is all great detective work but if you bothered to read mikes add you would’ve found all of this information is already provided. Mike has been as thorough and transparent as possible but unfortunately he’s never going to cover every nut and bolt to satisfy the rivet counters. It’s is always up to the discretion of the buyer as to what standard they are after . 

[Claud]

AMCS need to do lift their game.  Many on here have seen -

 

No LJ XU1 cylinder head of any vintage. 

 

Wrong engine fan and alternator pulley

 

Drivers side front fender treatment - Brisbane

 

Passenger side front fender treatment - Adelaide.

 

Looks very nice Johnno but must be priced too high for what you get as has been on the market since early October 2020.

 

Shoot me down if you like but I am being honest about this car.

I can’t help but ask what is it that AMC need to lift there game with? They have provided more than enough photos, all the compliance tags all documentation, they have been as detailed as possible. It is not there job to examine every detail of a car, it is up to the discretion of the buyer.
Mike has done a fantastic job and has been as transparent as possible more than I can say for other auction houses  and private sales. 
To be honest he has kept all the tyre kickers and F wits away. Good job Mike 

Edited by Claud, 20 January 2021 - 04:37 PM.

[Kockum]

At the end of the day you can throw as much mud as you like at me.

 

I stand by 'lift their game'.

 

From AMC -  This LJ is running a period correct JP block 'WITH CORRECT HEAD'.

 

The JP block is not the issue ,there is no LJ XU1 cylinder head of any vintage on top of JP 147384. 

[Claud]

You are entertaining to say the least. Please educate me on where I have slung mud at you?

[rexy]

Claudio, I understand that you are a seller and that it’s in your best financial interest to be vague about details and “provide information” without indicating a list of what you presumably know is not ex factory correct and original for this car. And it is a very nice car!

 

Its also not in Mikes interest either as he is in the business of making sales and earning commissions.

 

Sam, your use of the term 100% is very misleading, regardless of how you try to wiggle around what you meant by it. To a potential buyer it implies the car is 100%. As an office bearer in a club you should be more careful with your wording.

 

Buyers inability to rely on “information” stated by vendors and their associates/friends/club officials is why people come here for help with these vehicles.

 

It didn’t really matter thirty or forty years ago when these were cheap runabouts but it sure does now with the prices being asked.

 

Good luck with the sale.

[Claud]

Claudio, I understand that you are a seller and that it’s in your best financial interest to be vague about details and “provide information” without indicating a list of what you presumably know is not ex factory correct and original for this car. And it is a very nice car!

 

Its also not in Mikes interest either as he is in the business of making sales and earning commissions.

 

Sam, your use of the term 100% is very misleading, regardless of how you try to wiggle around what you meant by it. To a potential buyer it implies the car is 100%. As an office bearer in a club you should be more careful with your wording.

 

Buyers inability to rely on “information” stated by vendors and their associates/friends/club officials is why people come here for help with these vehicles.

 

It didn’t really matter thirty or forty years ago when these were cheap runabouts but it sure does now with the prices being asked.

 

Good luck with the sale.

 

Gary

,

Im having trouble understanding how it is that you believe I am being vague. And I’m having a hard time understanding why you would expect anyone to list a car with  anything more than an over view. 
Sams use of the term 100% is not misleading in his opinion the car is 100% genuine XU1, unlike other cats that have had body swaps, changed tags cut and shut ect. 
Then I’ll move on to your next point and this has been the most frustrating part of reading all these threads and that is you guys miss quoting others. At no point has any one on here claimed Sam was or is an office barer or representative of the club. 
 

Any genuine buyer will make his own enquire and it is at that point full disclosure will happen. Adds are not listed to entertain few. The expectation that more than an overview is required is absolutely ridiculous. 
 

But agin I will stress it is disappointing to see adds with full disclosure get shot down for what appears to be so called self proclaimed experts want to go off on a tangent shoot from the hip when they think no one is watching but when called out they can’t even justify half there comments they try fling more mud and tag team there buddies to take focus away from there miss leading  comments knowing full well  eventually something will stick.
You only have to go on to the unique add for the other green Torana  and right there you critiques the photos but when good photos are supplied your still not happy. 

 

I think the problem here is to many self proclaimed experts enjoy the negative slander purely as a form of entertainment. 
 

[FLY_AGAIN_XU-1]

 

 

I think the problem here is to many self proclaimed experts enjoy the negative slander purely as a form of entertainment. 
 

 

I call them the rat pack, some would call them trolls and if you have ever seen Bill & Ben the flower pot men at work. 99% of them have never owned a XU-1 Torana and never will. Don't worry about Mr Grumpy, he would whine if he won lotto. He owns a 9/72 LJ XU-1. Now, I don't think the Torana club has ever recovered completely from the Gosbell era and your mate at Australianmusclecarsales has offered some dodgy XU-1,s for sale in recent times. You only need to take a look at the fake 9/72 strike me pink with white trim and a few others to realize old mate Mike has not done himself any favours by selling dodgy cars. No wonder why his cars now come under close scrutiny.

The only advice I can offer is to change sellers and put on those self locating sprintmasters. The 8,s & 9,s look awsome, however you are trying to sell a 1972 Bathurst LJ XU-1, so start portraying it as one.........

Good luck with the sale.......

[rexy]

Hi Tony,

The Dublin Green XU1 you asked about came to my attention about 6 years ago. I at the time was the Secretary of the GTR & XU1 Owners Club of NSW Inc. Prior to allowing this owner and car to join the club I was to verify its authenticity. I have no doubt that this vehicle is 100% an August built GTRXU1. The car has been known to the club due to previous members which shows a long period of history. I have read Sam's comments above and rather than re write pretty much what Sam has said I can simply concur. 

I have read other comments above about this car and I believe they are ill informed.

I am happy to answer any further questions if required by phone.

Steve. 0412 383 332

My mistake, 

Your mate Sam got in first with his 100% and was then backed up by club office bearer Steve with his 100%.

[Claud]

Rex,

Nothing wrong with claiming a car is 100% XU-1 which is what we are claiming, we have not stated any different.

The words factory original have never been used but the way you are carrying on  you would have every one believe the car was once a cortina. 
Let’s remember you associated the car to someone based on colour not based on facts. You keep throwing mud eventually you will get some small win and celebrate likes it’s a major victory. 
it’s apparent you have have a  motive which is not conducive to the preservation of these cars but more to discredit based on your own selfish game. 

Edited by Claud, 23 January 2021 - 07:31 PM.

[grumpy xu1]

I call them the rat pack, some would call them trolls and if you have ever seen Bill & Ben the flower pot men at work. 99% of them have never owned a XU-1 Torana and never will. Don't worry about Mr Grumpy, he would whine if he won lotto. He owns a 9/72 LJ XU-1. Now, I don't think the Torana club has ever recovered completely from the Gosbell era and your mate at Australianmusclecarsales has offered some dodgy XU-1,s for sale in recent times. You only need to take a look at the fake 9/72 strike me pink with white trim and a few others to realize old mate Mike has not done himself any favours by selling dodgy cars. No wonder why his cars now come under close scrutiny.
The only advice I can offer is to change sellers and put on those self locating sprintmasters. The 8,s & 9,s look awsome, however you are trying to sell a 1972 Bathurst LJ XU-1, so start portraying it as one.........
Good luck with the sale.......

Enlighten my Bruce, what have i said wrong with this car ? Nothing would be the answer ! I actually asked Claudio a question about the sump, i didn't say anything wasn't correct. & i simply pointed out that someone was talking of another car that was repaired & it wasn't Claudio's. All i was letting him know is that they didn't say it was his. Just because someone may or may not have an xu1, doesn't make or not make them an authority on these matters. This forum is about us people working together, not fighting. I do think it's a good thing to be steered in the direction of what may not be 100% original on a vehicle, simply so a prospective buyer can work out if the particular car suits their wants. Or a owner might choose to get their car closer to factory appearance. I don't mean a shit slinging match. & i try to talk in a general perspective so people can clearly see that I'm not pointing the finger at any one person or vehicle. I personally ask friends to critique things i do. I don't take it as offense, just a helpful guidance.

[rodomo]

So glad mine is a lowly S

[sibhs]

So glad mine is a lowly S

Yes, when I sell any of my GTR's I'll say 

"Buy with confidence" There're no numbers or tags to check.

That sort of stress free purchase has got to be worth an extra $20,000

 

If ever I was buying a "genuine" car I'd love to have these respected forum members check the pictures and numbers first. You guys are an invaluable resource to the Torana community and I thank-you for that.

 

Marty

[jd lj]

I'd imagine that with a GTR or XU-1 whether it's genuine or replica that there's a lot of people who constantly ask the owner if it's the real deal or not. That's got to get a bit tiresome. These days if you have any 2 door LC or LJ Torana then you should be grateful, as long as you paid an appropriate price for what it is. Sometimes I feel like some people (not all though) think that the pedigree of there car makes them higher up their imaginary hierarchy than someone with a base model car. I'm not having a go at anyone in particular but you are not your car people. Treat everyone with the same respect that you'd like for yourself.

That's my rant for the day.

[MFM]

I'll gingerly stick my toe in this discussion and just say that 'Ice' nailed it at the beginning of this thread by saying that at least here (this forum) you will know the truth about a car, and the truth can sometimes be offensive. Yes the discussion can get off track with observations regarding fan blades and alternator pulley diameter etc but I found this helpful more than criticism. I also agree with Rexy that 30-40 years ago it didn't matter, but now with 100k plus being asked for XU1's AND the internet the way it is where we can all take clear photos of cars and send them to every man and his dog to critique, you need to make sure about the word 100% which is for most genuine XU1's these days unattainable.

[u1 71]

Claudio your XU1 in the 80"s was running a QL 202 engine with triple Dellortos the heater hose bracket and mounting hole in the inner skirt is missing.chrome work,hidden wiring and holes filled under the bonnet are consistent with the 80"s.Weren't you involved with getting the widened Performance Sprint wheels manufactured in Thailand ?

[lakeside]

I can’t help but ask what is it that AMC need to lift there game with? They have provided more than enough photos, all the compliance tags all documentation, they have been as detailed as possible. It is not there job to examine every detail of a car, it is up to the discretion of the buyer.
Mike has done a fantastic job and has been as transparent as possible more than I can say for other auction houses  and private sales. 
To be honest he has kept all the tyre kickers and F wits away. Good job Mike 

 

6min YouTube ad and one of the most important part of the car is the original engine and forgot to tell people and ok for people who understand. It’s miss leading for the idiots with pockets of cash and there the people it targets. 

[Claud]

Claudio your XU1 in the 80"s was running a QL 202 engine with triple Dellortos the heater hose bracket and mounting hole in the inner skirt is missing.chrome work,hidden wiring and holes filled under the bonnet are consistent with the 80"s.Weren't you involved with getting the widened Performance Sprint wheels manufactured in Thailand ?

Anthony told me it was running a 186 with 202 head when he purchased it. Then Allan had the Adelaide car come through his wrecking  yard which is where he got the JP motor out of. 
just to clarify are you the same Peter that sold the car to Anthony? 
Yes I was involved with the wheels. I seen a photo of my car when Anthony owned it with Magnesium wheels, could not buy any no mater  how hard I tried so I ask Ray Wilkins to Make them for me. I sent a genuine Magnesium wheel to Queensland for CAD drawings to be made then it went over sea to be copied. The magnesium wheel was generously lent to me by the president of our club. 

Edited by Claud, 24 January 2021 - 09:38 PM.

[Claud]

 

6min YouTube ad and one of the most important part of the car is the original engine and forgot to tell people and ok for people who understand. It’s miss leading for the idiots with pockets of cash and there the people it targets. 

Col

Why are you going in circles making the same statements that others have made. Who give a frOck about the original motor it is long gone. 
I will try and articulate this a little differently a sales ad and video are simply overviews of the car anybody that is serious about purchasing a car will go and look at it and find out more of the details they will go away and make further inquiries or they will go away and not purchase. Anybody that expects a 10 page essay is out of their mind.