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Posted 23 May 2021 - 04:36 PM

Yeh dave that's what i was wondering. Anyway replaced all the over torqued bolts and I'm a lot happier. All buttoned up now.f312733c6c7ed4509e7da6178f862d48.jpg

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Got these 12 rubber washers left over from assembly??cb269b117ac6ea9b0f478c87811d2bd2.jpg

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Valve stem seals?

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Posted 23 May 2021 - 04:41 PM

Valve stem seals?

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Posted 23 May 2021 - 06:23 PM

Clay - Yep, valve stems seals.... x12
Hopefully, if the engine shop put a head together for you, they should have fitted some new ones, from their stock.

Otherwise... if you have not fitted any, having those left overs from the engine gasket kit, it will be a smoky engine....

They can be fitted with the head left on the engine.
Just dont drop a valve into the cylinder doing it.

Ive used regulated air pressue to keep valves up.

Or read others using a coil of rope, through the sparkplug hole, then gently rotate the piston up to push the rope up to hold valves up. Leave the tail of rope outside the plug hole for removal afterwards.

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Posted 23 May 2021 - 06:28 PM

Or buy a valve spring compressor that works with the head on. Like this:

 

https://www.ebay.com...jBoCruoQAvD_BwE



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Posted 23 May 2021 - 06:45 PM

Or buy a valve spring compressor that works with the head on. Like this:

 

https://www.ebay.com...jBoCruoQAvD_BwE

Regardless of the type of spring compressor employed, the valves still need to be prevented from dropping out of the guides whilst the collets are removed.
 



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Posted 23 May 2021 - 07:52 PM

That’s easy though, especially if the manifolds are off. Normally TDC will stop them falling but long nose pliers with soft tips or even fingers up the ports. I’ve normally done it on a V8 when changing a cam so the intake is off. I’ve seen small pencil magnets used too.

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Posted 23 May 2021 - 08:25 PM

Thanks fellas, yeh it’s academic I think but I’ll check with the shop tomorrow. It’s a generic kit and comes with two exhaust flange gaskets also, which will be handy later when I fit the X2 headers. Gasket for the dizzy ffs, and even sump plug gasket.


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Posted 25 May 2021 - 07:53 AM

No one volunteered any suggestions for running in oil. A mate swears by Penzoil running in oil and crow duracam.

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Posted 26 May 2021 - 09:20 PM

Non friction modified mineral oil and zinc additive. This is what you should be using at least to run in, but not if running cats per modern stuff.2cd82428a7195bec345dcc550864597e.jpgb89e924363e6ad4a6217c709e2cd9272.jpg

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Posted 27 May 2021 - 09:44 AM

Have I got the spigot bush in far enough fellas please?cc75b0a0889935ab4b32e6bfa8c4829b.jpg

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Posted 27 May 2021 - 10:15 AM

Ended up knocking it in further, flush with bevel.0f736db43e543461680d4fa27d61a644.jpg

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Posted 27 May 2021 - 07:13 PM

Flywheel bolts.

Spoke to Furey at Lonsdale Engines about the rod bolts and reassured will be all good. Not long now.4429ac6b388bd5ba80d58000dab7939e.jpg338fd7f22337f435516b657df9657c88.jpg

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Posted 27 May 2021 - 07:51 PM

Flywheel bolts.

Spoke to Furey at Lonsdale Engines about the rod bolts and reassured will be all good. Not long now.4429ac6b388bd5ba80d58000dab7939e.jpg338fd7f22337f435516b657df9657c88.jpg

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Posted 27 May 2021 - 08:25 PM

It's heritage

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Posted 28 May 2021 - 07:33 PM

No 12 pushrod is not rotating as I'm running 2000 rpm, no load to bed lifters. Pretty messy with rocker cover off at those revs.

I need to pull off side cover and have a look?

I m worried 8(bf053957760dab53c65c289cf558d46c.jpg

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Posted 28 May 2021 - 07:43 PM

Cut the top out of an old, dented rocker cover. Saves some mess.



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Posted 28 May 2021 - 07:45 PM

That sucks. Double checked the pre load?
Pull the rocker and check it, check the push rod ends.
I would pull the side plate. Pull the lifter and inspect it, make sure it feels good in the bore.
If all seems ok maybe just a dud lifter not spinning? It happens.
Even before you pull anything, take out the plugs take off the side plate and then turn over by hand and see if it spins at all.

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Posted 28 May 2021 - 08:11 PM

All my rocker covers are smik Byron. Can’t decide which one.


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Posted 28 May 2021 - 08:15 PM

Thanks Adam. Preload was bit tight so adjusted to 5thou. Still wasn’t moving. I’ll look at the rod and rocker first . Plenty spares.


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Posted 28 May 2021 - 08:30 PM

Get a cheap aftermarket one and cut it.

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Posted 29 May 2021 - 07:27 AM

Nah got a rusty one.
Changed rocker and rod though they looked ok. Set lash 0.006" cold. Waiting for a civilised hour to start making noise.

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Posted 29 May 2021 - 08:58 AM

I saw some aftermarket SBC ones recently with removeable tops. Ugly looking things so not a long term thing but would be good for exactly what you are doing.

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Posted 29 May 2021 - 09:23 AM

No 12 pushrod is not rotating as I'm running 2000 rpm, no load to bed lifters. Pretty messy with rocker cover off at those revs.

I need to pull off side cover and have a look?

I m worried 8(bf053957760dab53c65c289cf558d46c.jpg

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Got handy several years bak myself, cut open top rocker cover
also a sideplate drilled holes in the upper edge, when fitted, running engine to check pushrod rotation.

No mess :)

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Posted 29 May 2021 - 09:49 AM

Thanks Adam. Preload was bit tight so adjusted to 5thou. Still wasn’t moving. I’ll look at the rod and rocker first . Plenty spares.


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Hi Clay, just curious as to the .005" lash asjustment quoted, are the lifters you're using-hydraulics or solids?

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Posted 29 May 2021 - 11:51 AM

Hydraulic


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