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[salxu1]

So now we know  Thank You

[Zook]

$350.000

LOL. I think they're worth a bit more than $350. Odd that you've used a third decimal place.

[FLY_AGAIN_XU-1]

400 bucks if it's one of the 100 fitted with the 3.08 "Bathurst" ratio.......

[FLY_AGAIN_XU-1]

What a total load of bullshit.

 

 

 

In 1972 (as in previous years) manufacturers were allowed to homologate TWO final drive ratios for the minimum production of the model. However in 1972 (and only 1972) for the 1st time they were now required to fit the minimum production of 200 cars one of the those two ratios, which automatically homologated the other optional/alternative ratio. Having to build 300 cars for homologation of two ratios is pure fiction. The LJ XU1 and XA GT homologations documents don't lie.. For the minimum production for recognition of the respective models both manufacturers homologated TWO final drive ratios.

 

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What this tells me is that there was a required minimum.

If they only built the required minimum, then half of them had to have one of the ratios.

If they produced more than the minimum, then they still only had to have the same number of cars with one of the ratios.

 

If the minimum was 200, then 100 would have to have the alternative ratio.

If they produced 300, then they still only needed 100 of the alternative ratio.

 

Cheers

 

Rob

[S pack]

The FIA rules for Transmissions 1970

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For the minimum production, 5000 cars for FIA Group 1, it was possible for a manufacturer to homologate TWO gearboxes and TWO final drive ratios.

The the wording of the CAMS Transmissions clause for 1970 1971 was almost word for word identical.

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In 1971 the FIA added this little bit of wording to their Transmission clause.

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Which clearly states for the minimum production TWO gearboxes & TWO final drive ratios.

 

The CAMS for the most part just copied the FIA rules.

 

As I said earlier the LJ XU1 and XA GT homologations in 1972 are hard and true evidence that the minimum production of TWO HUNDRED cars was all that was required to homologate TWO final drive ratios.

If Ford and GMH were required to build 300 cars to homologate TWO ratios then the Certificate of Description would say 300 hundred not 200 hundred.

 

300 cars to homologate two ratios is pure fiction.

Edited by S pack, 07 December 2021 - 06:31 AM.

[S pack]

Once more the debate on the little Toranas goes round and round and round.

To continue the reference from the 12th Man, this is just so frocking boring.

 

Billy Birmingham was a legend.

 

Cheers

 

Rob

Agree Rob, totally agree.

[S pack]

Toyota Celica 1971. Minimum production 5000 IDENTICAL cars

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Two final drive ratios homologated.

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Ford Capri 3 litre 1970. Minimum production 5000 IDENTICAL cars

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Two final drive ratios homologated.

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Just a couple of examples from the FIA.

Edited by S pack, 07 December 2021 - 06:43 AM.

[LCK186]

Ok round 2 has gone long enough, ding ding the bell has rung for round 3, remember lads no blows under the belt, lets see who throws the first blow,

[FLY_AGAIN_XU-1]

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Clearly Holden produced over 5000 LC GTR's but well under 5000 LC GTR XU-1's.....

 

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[FLY_AGAIN_XU-1]

The FIA rules for Transmissions 1970

FIA Transmissions Grp1 1970.jpg

 

For the minimum production, 5000 cars for FIA Group 1, it was possible for a manufacturer to homologate TWO gearboxes and TWO final drive ratios.

 

 

In 1971 the FIA added this little bit of wording to their Transmission clause.

FIA 1971 basic series 2 ratios.jpg

 

Which clearly states for the minimum production TWO gearboxes & TWO final drive ratios.

 

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[FLY_AGAIN_XU-1]

200 cars, with 2 different ratios, that's all you need to show us.........

[S pack]

200 cars, with 2 different ratios, that's all you need to show us.........

That's your fantasy, you go find it.

[Rockoz]

I read a storyline on fakeache the other day from 7 of 9. Jeri Ryan

If you are a trekkie you will know her for sure.

 

But basically it was about a study.

The study worked out that there are people around who just arent smart enough to realise that they are pretty much stupid.

They actually think that they are pretty smart too. But sadly they are wrong.

 

Kind of relates to an older saying I remember.

 

Got no brains and happy about it.

 

Anyways............................

 

 

Cheers

 

Rob

[FLY_AGAIN_XU-1]

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How many cars would it take to complete amendment 6/6V ? Rob ?

 

Go on Rob, you've got some brains and feeling bored, have a crack......

[RallyRed]

Current market suggests..

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[jjtheboss]

Hi there 

A  Lc Xu1 bathurst or Ck car i would say could go as high as 400k for the right car . i will try and explain 

If it has everything eg  block correct cast dates , Head A28 or A29 cast head with the correct thumb print. 

Alternator is another special part on these .

Radiator H1 stamped into top tank and brass tag soldiered onto fan plate or Surround 

Correct date code on the m21 gearbox .

Orig front guards not Repo ones 

 

That is to list some items  i hope this helps 

 

Color is the next thing icing on the cake as the CK car was the first lc xu1 with a full list of colors 

Note the most common color in a CK is Lone O Ranger 

Trim from my research there was one only Adel  built Ck with Houndstooth trim 

 

all these items add more $$$$$$$$ 

 

i Know of Three Cks in Melb which would tick most of the boxes 

 

 

Thanks for looking 

Sorry if spelling is not the greatest 

[Ice]

Current market suggests..

He needs a lot more money than that Col me thinks 

[FLY_AGAIN_XU-1]

That's your fantasy, you go find it.

 

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Stop looking, found it.    Anyone counted the ratios on those first 300 1970 LC XU-1's ? 

[muzzta]

Rockoz nailed it

  I read a storyline on fakeache the other day from 7 of 9. Jeri Ryan

If you are a trekkie you will know her for sure.

 

But basically it was about a study.

The study worked out that there are people around who just arent smart enough to realise that they are pretty much stupid.

They actually think that they are pretty smart too. But sadly they are wrong.

 

Kind of relates to an older saying I remember.

 

Got no brains and happy about it.

 

Anyways............................

 

rockOz nailed it  ,  Jerri, was my fav  and she  was Jerri Ryan and pointed her options twice, lke a left and right opinon

As a funna how many now just for fun,  have driven drove or burned out both an LC and LJ GTR and XU1 

Without giving a frOck about diffs, we knew . Big tell is if you owned one in the old days what was your diff, maybe replaced and left on the ground. Going back to the 70's. Lucky we have wilknots ready to make our old cars worth a million dolars now , cracks me uo, And to be honest I'd pay money for a v8 faker little one before i paid a money for orig I want to drive A CAR

Muz

Apolgies to OP of track if I had millions I'd pay what you wanted for a CK and seroiusly someone has and will, 

wait for that dude

Edited by muzzta, 08 December 2021 - 11:57 PM.

[muzzta]

ok lads looks like I'm out of this one too, I was on a fishing forum full of wonderfull people til a dickhead came on, I just called him out and left, I can't show my pics of old torries or edit my mistakes , I never showed many or the stories of our torry days in respect for owners and drivers. i tried to put a few pics up, didn;t work so all the best to the ones who still care about Torries.

Luv em til they rust

Cheers

Lowndesy

[S pack]

I've edited out Joe's superfluous general advice about the production breakdown to make the important info of his letter clearer.

Joe is advising D.K Thompson of The CAMS that GMH have already sold in excess of the required number of cars (100) for recognition of the CK XU1 evolutionary changes. 

It is perfectly clear, the number of CK XU1's GMH had to make & sell to gain recognition of the CK evolution was a minimum of 100 cars, not 200, not 300 but only 100.

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As I have said before, the first 200 3100X cars built in 1970 homologated both the 3.36:1 and 3.08:1 final drive ratios and once homologated DID NOT require homologation over and over again for an evolution of the model.

[RallyRed]

  And to be honest I'd pay money for a v8 faker little one before i paid a money for orig I want to drive A CAR

Muz

I love the original ones, they are a credit to those who own them, but....agree 100% with the above.

[LCK186]

Hi after s pack has hi lighted the GMH letter from joe to Thompson I now understand that the required number cars in excess of 100 have already been sold which is the total amount required, I had to read the letter slowly a few times before I understood what Joe was saying, So the minimum no of cars to be built is 100 units not 300. what do u guys think

Edited by LCK186, 09 December 2021 - 07:46 AM.

[IanC]

If you discount the number in brackets, because it is only an estimate.  To me it says that the required amount has been sold.   Then it says that the initial production batch is 200 cars with the two different ratio's.  To me it seem the total number of cars from the initial production was 200 cars.   I think it says they met the requirements by  selling (in excess of 100 cars)  the initial batch was 200 cars. 100 had 3.36. the other 100 had 3.08 ratio.  but thats just my take on it..

Edited by IanC, 09 December 2021 - 08:19 AM.

[meanmachine72]

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Stop looking, found it.    Anyone counted the ratios on those first 300 1970 LC XU-1's ? 

yes i have ROCKY..go back to page one you will also see S Pack saying same thing, reason you never saId anything back then was because you

where caught out trying to bullshiting everyone and changed tact and started to talk 73 cars

 

226 cars fitted with 3.36, 73 cars fitted with 3.08 and 1 car fitted with 2.78..if you have bothered to research the count yourself you would know

 

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this one is 35 cars into your supposed first 200 3.36 ratio and there are many others to...go and have a look yourself

as i wont be posting anymore vins with 3.08 diffs in them for you