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[stealthxu1]

bloke down the servo yesty said a salawanka wed won sold for 270 wif books in sidknee 

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Hi after s pack has hi lighted the GMH letter from joe to Thompson I now understand that the required number cars in excess of 100 have already been sold which is the total amount required, I had to read the letter slowly a few times before I understood what Joe was saying, So the minimum no of cars to be built is 100 units not 300. what do u guys think

 

An Australian manufacturer was required to have 50% or 100 cars of the minimum 200 basically identical units sold to allow a homologation to proceed. To complete the homologation, required a minimum of 200 basically identical units. 

 

 

 

yes i have ROCKY..go back to page one you will also see S Pack saying same thing, reason you never saId anything back then was because you

where caught out trying to bullshiting everyone and changed tact and started to talk 73 cars

 

226 cars fitted with 3.36, 73 cars fitted with 3.08 and 1 car fitted with 2.78..if you have bothered to research the count yourself you would know

 

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this one is 35 cars into your supposed first 200 3.36 ratio and there are many others to...go and have a look yourself

as i wont be posting anymore vins with 3.08 diffs in them for you

 

HEY PETA, "OPEN YOUR EYES" The first 300 1970 LC XU-1,s NOT the last 300 1971 LC XU-1,s ya DFW......

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Found this one too......

[S pack]

An Australian manufacturer was required to have 50% or 100 cars of the minimum 200 basically identical units sold to allow a homologation to proceed. To complete the homologation, required a minimum of 200 basically identical units.

And yet under the very same 50% rule.

 

 

 

 250 7/73, 8/73 & 9/73 Bathurst Homologation Specials. The minimum number being 250 under the 1973 Group C rules............

50% of 500 cars is 250.

 

Whilst we are at it, if the 1971 CK evolution of the LC XU1 was required to re-homologate both the 3.36 and 3.08 final drive ratios, which had already been homologated by the 1st 200 1970 LC XU1's, then where are the 750 1973 Bathurst special evolution cars to re-homologate the 3.36:1 ratio and the 3.08:1 ratio? Perhaps we should throw another 250 cars on top of the 750 to re-homologate the 3.55:1 ratio!

 

 

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50% rule.

 

 

 

50%

 

Whilst we are at it, if the 1971 CK evolution of the LC XU1 was required to re-homologate both the 3.36 and 3.08 final drive ratios, which had already been homologated by the 1st 200 1970 LC XU1's.

 

 

 

The 1st 200 1970 LC XU-1's can only be responsible for the homologation of 1 gearbox ratio 50% and 1 diff ratio 50%........

Of the 700 1970 LC XU-1's produced, 289 had the 3.36, 411 had the 3.08 according to the vin disc......

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And yet under the very same 50% rule.

 

 

 

50% of 500 cars is 250.

 

 then where are the 750 1973 Bathurst special evolution cars to re-homologate the 3.36:1 ratio and the 3.08:1 ratio? 

 

 

 

Holden produced a total of 788 1973 LJ XU-1's........

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 Perhaps we should throw another 250 cars on top of the 750 to re-homologate the 3.55:1 ratio!

 

 

 

The 3.55 ratio was homologated in 1972 under amendment 5/5V.

[LCK186]

Hi forum members, read post 121 again, it pretty much says it all, as s pack has highlighted it clearly states that the required number of cars in excess of 100 cars have already been sold, unless any one can show me documentation not verbal talk im more than happy to read it, and make my own decision,   

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50% of 200 = 100

 

 

 

 

I have heard Jim Carey may be releasing a new movie called "Dumb & Dumber & Dumberest".........

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And yet under the very same 50% rule.

 

 

 

50% of 500 cars is 250.

 

 

 

 

 

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The new Aussie 4 speed gearbox fitted to the CK's only came with the 1 gearbox ratio, requiring 50% or 100 cars, the 3.36 diff ratio also required 50% or 100 cars ( 200 BASICALLY IDENTICAL UNITS ) + 50% or 100 cars for the 3.08 diff ratio.

300 cars in total.....

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[IanC]

This would be handy for Torana        https://www.thegthoregister.com.au/

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2 gearbox ratios, 2 diff ratios, 50% per ratio or 100 cars per ratio

 

400 cars required, 402 cars built

[IanC]

This information guide covers the Australian Ford Falcon XW GT and GT-HO vehicles. The XW was the third generation Falcon GT, and the first to offer the HO (Handling Option) homologation model. The XW Falcon GT was sold exclusively to the Australian market. However, CKD kits were exported to South Africa from 1970 where the vehicle was sold as the “Fairmont GT”.

The XW Falcon GT was based on the Fairmont trim specification, and received a number of performance upgrades to make the car competitive in Australian production touring car racing. Ford’s efforts to succeed in motorsport culminated in the GT-HO vehicles which were produced in sufficient numbers to allow the cars to compete in Class E touring car events, and more specifically to win the famous Bathurst endurance race at Mount Panorama. An outright victory at Bathurst was achieved in the 1970 Hardie-Ferodo 500, with Allan Moffat at the wheel of a XW GT-HO Phase II. The performance specifications, racing success and relative scarcity of the XW GTs have made the cars highly desirable among collectors, particularly in Australia.

This guide provides a detailed outline of the XW GTs specifications and unique features. If you have additional information that could improve this guide, please contact the author by clicking the button above.

XW GT and GT-HO period of manufacture:

XW Falcon GT: May 1969 – October 1970

XW Falcon GT-HO Phase I: July 1969 – March 1970 (officially released in August 1969)

XW Falcon GT-HO Phase I ½: March 1969 – April 1970

XW Falcon GT-HO Phase II: June 1970 – October 1970

XW GT and GT-HO production numbers:

The majority of sources agree on the total GT and GT-HO production numbers. However, there are a number of sources that disagree on the precise breakdown of numbers within the GT-HO phases. The numbers stated below are reflective of the majority of sources sighted. If you have further sources clarifying the numbers, please contact us so this guide can be updated..

XW Falcon GT: 2,287

XW Falcon GT-HO (Total): 662

- XW Falcon GT-HO Phase I (Windsor): 260

- XW Falcon GT-HO Phase I ½: 115

- XW Falcon GT-HO Phase II: 287

[S pack]

The Ford Falcon XW GT HO Phase II

Minimum production/sale of 200 cars.

XW GT HO Phase II 

Two gearboxes with the same number of ratios but different in their staging and TWO different final drive ratios.

There is no 50% rule applicable to the 'Australian 200' for gearboxes and there is definitely no 50% rule for final drive ratios nor any clause/s in the '70 - '71 CAMS Group E rules mandating how many and/or which of the two alternative final drive ratio/s (if two were offered) must be fitted in production.

200 cars is all that was required.

 

[LCK186]

S pack hi, well theres all the proof I need to see, no doubt about it ford clearly states the minimum of  200 identical units, so it would be the same for Holden ,Valiant Crysler  etc etc

[meanmachine72]

lol...another own goal booted by rocky...

[IanC]

How good though?  Who would  have thought,   anyone would giving a weiner about,  a some what dodgy pommy car,  converted into an aussie race car.   and 50 + years later, their still worth fighting over.  Granted it was normally Holden VS Ford where the fight started,  but who cares.  passion fuels passion..   I believe the XU1 is the original giant killer.(cause someone else called em that and i'm easy led)  everything else can find its own handle (like Godzilla) But hands down, the XU1's race record still holds its own against most race cars of the day. (How many Australian Rally and Hill Climb Championships did the GTHO or Charger  win.(or L34/A9X})   sure the Torana 6  struggled on high horsepower tracks.  but how slow did they make everything else look at tight technical tracks.  And still 50 years on, they are able to make some new performance cars look pretty ordinary.  I love the passion. and feel blessed as a 12 year old kid in 1972,  siting in front of a tiny black and white TV with my dad,  watching the underdog win against the best American Ford could muster.  And to eventually own one of these cars when I was 29,  and still have it now is .......  pure luck.   

[rodomo]

  I love the passion. and feel blessed as a 12 year old kid in 1972,  siting in front of a tiny black and white TV   watching the underdog win against the best American Ford could muster. Me too 

 

[Rockoz]

How good though?  Who would  have thought,   anyone would giving a weiner about,  a some what dodgy pommy car,  converted into an aussie race car.   and 50 + years later, their still worth fighting over.  Granted it was normally Holden VS Ford where the fight started,  but who cares.  passion fuels passion..   I believe the XU1 is the original giant killer.(cause someone else called em that and i'm easy led)  everything else can find its own handle (like Godzilla) But hands down, the XU1's race record still holds its own against most race cars of the day. (How many Australian Rally and Hill Climb Championships did the GTHO or Charger  win.(or L34/A9X})   sure the Torana 6  struggled on high horsepower tracks.  but how slow did they make everything else look at tight technical tracks.  And still 50 years on, they are able to make some new performance cars look pretty ordinary.  I love the passion. and feel blessed as a 12 year old kid in 1972,  siting in front of a tiny black and white TV with my dad,  watching the underdog win against the best American Ford could muster.  And to eventually own one of these cars when I was 29,  and still have it now is .......  pure luck.   

Kinda like your story.

They were supreme at an event where a 5 buck part could destroy your day.

But to be honest, the early Toranas were a pig of a car to drive even in standard form.

The term agricultural was used, but it also applied to the Ford cars as well.

My first car was an LC 2dr. Not even a GTR and far from an XU-1.

But the previous owner had given it a suspension upgrade.

The front sway bar didnt like my regional area roads where trucks had worn grooves and the road centre was a lot higher than the wheel tracks.

The front sway bar with standard springs eventually got bent that much that it started floating and had to be removed.

I still loved driving mine regardless of the problems. It was extremely reliable until I decided I needed more grunt.

I built a weapon that could crate snakes without using the front brakes.

A little 186 would be lucky to get 6mpg with a 10 gallon tank.

I have owned a series of much better cars, but still to this day I love a Torana.

I used to own a very noteworthy hatch shell that I had high ambitions for.

Bought it for about 100 and sold it for 300 or something a few years later after spending lots of time and energy on it.

Have been in contact with the current owner, and he is sitting on a car likely to go for around a million if he chooses to sell it.

 

The passion is the cheap bit. I just bought a UC.

Cant afford anything like an LX hatch which I would like, but I still have my passion.

 

The true Torana people are interested in the car for what it is. The dollar numbers are a very distant secondary consideration.

Hope you enjoy yours as they were meant to be enjoyed.

 

Cheers

 

Rob

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This rule does not apply to the Australian 200 Basically Identical Units as Basically Identical Units requires 1 gearbox and 1 diff ratio to be able to drive. The 200 cars are required to be identical units. However this rule does apply to the Australian 300 & 400.

[IanC]

Fly Again.  I know i'm new here. but if you could, can you please explain what you are trying to prove.  I honestly have no idea how many LC -K Toranas were produced.  I have always been told 200 72 bathurst series toranas were built, and 150 special 73's were built.  Now while not certain, i'm confident there may have been spare cars made for all these models,  just in case (for what ever reason,fire, theft, being written of by journalists.) but just like the 73 cars, if your not on the register you aint getting in.  even if your dressed exactly the same.  just asking as i'm really confused. 

[S pack]

Quote "This rule does not apply to the Australian 200 Basically Identical Units as Basically Identical Units requires 1 gearbox and 1 diff ratio to be able to drive. The 200 cars are required to be identical units. However this rule does apply to the Australian 300 & 400."

 

 

 

OMG the Fairytale just keeps getting better and better.

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Ford built 402 XW GTHO but were only required to make and sell 200 cars for recognition.  So what!!!

GMH built 299 LC CK XU1 however Joe Felice clearly stated in his letter to CAMS they had already sold in excess of the required number of 100 cars for the CK evolution.  So what!!!

 

Last time I looked Ford, Holden, Chrysler etc were car manufacturers, that is how they make their money. The manufacturers can make and sell as many units of a particular model or variant as they fcuking want. The FIA, The CAMS and all the other ACN's all over the world only dictate the minimum number of cars required to be made and sold for recognition of the basic model and it's variants and/or evolutions for eligibility to compete in motorsport competitions.

 

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At CAMS discretion, 200 cars if made in Australia.

 

Not 300 or 400, only 200.

 

 

 

 

Edited by S pack, 31 December 2021 - 07:39 AM.

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IanC, How would you interpret the gearbox rule on post 147    ?