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[kudu]

Imagine the height of your career being Miss Kentucky Fried Chicken! Ha ha ha. 

 

Finger Licking good?????

[RallyRed]

I think CKD can mean various things...from a box of parts ( a bit like an old school Airfix model ) that when put together actually make a car, so some derivative of that .

Reading some of that old Holden stuff, and example would be when South Africa decided they should be making their own engines. thus, Holden then set them up in their own factory in S.A. to do that, and deleted the engines from the Aussie sent CKD kits.  

 

Seems the main reason worldwide to CKD cars into an O/S market, was to make them price competitive by sneaking around import duties.

 

 

[S pack]

I think CKD can mean various things...from a box of parts ( a bit like an old school Airfix model ) that when put together actually make a car, so some derivative of that .
Reading some of that old Holden stuff, and example would be when South Africa decided they should be making their own engines. thus, Holden then set them up in their own factory in S.A. to do that, and deleted the engines from the Aussie sent CKD kits.

Seems the main reason worldwide to CKD cars into an O/S market, was to make them price competitive by sneaking around import duties.

And to comply with local content rules.

Edited by S pack, 25 February 2022 - 10:50 PM.

[Shiney005]

And to comply with local content rules.

I have been researching the South African cars this morning.  They had the Motor Industry Development Plan which based local content as a percentage of mass of the CKD kit to be imported. It is for this reason that the engines were mostly built over there and not here. (Most Holdens got the S.A. made 3200 or 4100 six cylinder)

These photos show the Ford plant over there putting Cortina CKD kits together.

 

The caption for this one says 2700 spot welds were used to put it together.

 

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In the paint shop after assembly.

 

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Ford engines being built in S.A.

 

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The GM assembly plant Port Elizabeth S.A.

 

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[S pack]

A very interesting read on South African vehicle manufacturing. http://thecasualobse...l-car-industry/

[hanra]

I was surprised to learn at the time that my E36 BMW was made in SA.

[Shiney005]

I had a chat with Neil Pogson last night.  He was the production engineer at the Trentham plant in 1980 and he confirmed what Dave was saying a page ago.  The CKD kits had zero parts welded together and the cars had to be completely assembled from scratch. The CKD kits at that time didn't contain a whole car. One crate would be full of radiator support panels, another one would be full of doors, another one full of roofs etc etc.

[RallyRed]

I guess that is a more realisation of the term CKD.  Good info.

 

I have often seen maybe FC/FB era?? pics with the accompanying words like "CKD Holden being exported to xyz"...it always struck me as funny that it appeared to be a whole car, less everything forward of the firewall. Not really cKD at all.   Unless I misread it.

[S pack]

CKD stands for completely knocked down. It's use was literal.
I believe PKD is another abbreviation that was also used. PKD = partially knocked down.

Edited by S pack, 01 April 2022 - 03:26 PM.

[S pack]

I guess that is a more realisation of the term CKD.  Good info.

 

I have often seen maybe FC/FB era?? pics with the accompanying words like "CKD Holden being exported to xyz"...it always struck me as funny that it appeared to be a whole car, less everything forward of the firewall. Not really cKD at all.   Unless I misread it.

Perhaps those pics were captioned incorrectly.

I am pretty sure I have also seen the pics you are talking about Col. There was one of FC or FB/EK era painted and trimmed bodies (with nothing forward of the firewall) on a train headed for the Mossaman Park VAP in Perth for final assembly for the WA market.
 

Edited by S pack, 01 April 2022 - 04:50 PM.

[RallyRed]

That sounds like them mate, the caption was prob a little bit to far to the CKD side of PKD.

[Shiney005]

CKD stands for completely knocked down. It's use was literal.
I believe PKD is another abbreviation that was also used. PKD = partially knocked down.

Another one used by Holden was "Completely Built Up" or CBU.

[S pack]

Another one used by Holden was "Completely Built Up" or CBU.

or Completely Bloody Useless.
 

[Shiney005]

Commodores Being Utes?

[kiwilx]

Hi All
Bit late in the piece to contribute to this thread but my 77 RTS SL 202 manual, NZ first registered has the chassis number stamped on the front drivers guard, spec plate, VIN plate, no ADR plate and was assembled in Dandenong (J).

I guess this plays to the engine capacity CKD assembly at Trentham theory. I was under the impression that in the LX era, only Sunbirds were assembled in NZ and any Torana (6 or 8cyl) came from Melbourne but could be wrong.

[Shiney005]

Thanks for the input Liam.  It goes to show that any NZ car with a chassis number stamped into it was built in Australia.  So your car has the three small welds the same as Hanra's?

[kudu]

Thanks for the input Liam. It goes to show that any NZ car with a chassis number stamped into it was built in Australia. So your car has the three small welds the same as Hanra's?

But then, as mentioned I've seen quite a few LH SLR 5000s with no chassis stamp here in NZ. Is it possible they have all had panels replaced in that corner?
And just to muddy the waters, nearly all of the chassis stamp toranas ice seen were LX Models.

Edited by kudu, 27 April 2022 - 05:23 PM.

[Shiney005]

I have no doubt that the NZ LH SL/R's were made without a chassis number. I just don't know if they were built here in Aus or over there. 

[S pack]

I have no doubt that the NZ LH SL/R's were made without a chassis number. I just don't know if they were built here in Aus or over there. 

Their PSN's will reveal where they were assembled, however, AFAIK all 8VD69 were made in Aus and sent to NZ as complete cars.

 

[huskymike]

Awesome info on the NZ chassis numbers. I have 2 4cyl toranas both assembled in trentham (Z7) and neither have chassis numbers just a VIN tag and a small general motors new zealand plate with diff, trans and eng id numbers. 1 plate has nothing stamped on it. I did notice tho - 1 which is de-reged has X as the last letter on the vin tag denoting its an LX, I also have a NZ cert plate with H as the last letter and that came off an LH. I also have a 75 LH which is registered and never been de-reged or re-reg, I have all the paper work and ownership papers but the last letter on the vin tag is C. Its not a UC - Any Ideas?

[Shiney005]

Got some photos Mike? 

[huskymike]

Nope Sorry - I dont know how to upload a photo. However the VIN # is 8H69YEZ772030C. This is the vin for the registered car

Edited by huskymike, 01 September 2023 - 05:10 PM.

[yel327]

TC Gemini?

[huskymike]

Nope - Registered as a 1975 holden torana, blue, saloon, 1900cc. never been dereged. Im the 7th owner. Its not a big deal cause its still registered - I was curious with the no chassis numbers added in new zealand - Maybe the C means something different in NZ?

[yel327]

It's an error if it's a Torana most likely. It's an LH Torana isn't it?