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[Mid-life Crisis]

 Torana.jpg   9.22K   38 downloads  Torana.jpg   9.22K   38 downloadsI am almost at the stage to paint my Hatch afer a long (14yrs) bare metal rebuld and want to paint it the same colour as the hatch I had as a younger Bloke. I think it was Persian Sand. 

 

I got a sample done of Mk2 Persian Sand and it looks a lot lighter than what I rememebr. I am sure mine was a lot deeper burnt brown colour, very similar the the colour of in the attached Pic. 

 

Would apprercaite if anyone could confirm what your colour this is?

 

Cheers

Dave

[rodomo]

I think you might find there were 2 versions of persian sand from memory?

[Ice]

I think you might find there were 2 versions of persian sand from memory?

Yes Mk1 and Mk2 i had a 4.2 SLR in the lighter colour it looked more metallic in the sun 

[Bigfella237]

Was your old hatch original paint or had it been resprayed?

 

Also keep in mind that some colours photograph differently to real life and some colours look vastly different depending on how they're lit (sunlight vs. artificial lighting, etc).

 

The original colour you're chasing would depend if your old hatch was a '76 or '77 as to whether it was Persian Sand Mk I or Mk II (and even then, there would've been some overlap. I'm sure). Do you happen to have a photo of the Paint Code from the Body Plate?

 

The other problem is that modern paints don't have lead in them, so if you follow the recipe to the letter the colour ends up different to the original. That's where a professional spray painter comes in, they should be able to colour-match to a sample (except that you don't have a sample, I guess).

 

In the end, if you're not doing a factory resto, just pick a colour you like! It doesn't have to be a Torana colour...

[Shiney005]

Persian Sand Mk11 was metallic, which would make it "pop" more in sunlight.

 

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[4dabush]

I am 99% sure I repainted a HJ Statesman for a mate in Persian Sand years ago. That was its original colour. Persian Sand was a really gutless colour…like an old school candy…after about 4 coats it was still see thru and you could still see the patched primer repairs. I think I ended up with about double that number of base coats to make it work. Once cleared and polished looked awesome!  Based on my experience, I reckon the primer used could potentially change the colour.   Ie painting over a grey primer will produce a lot lighter colour than painting it over black…HOWEVER, I’ll qualify that was in acrylic, and I’m no tradesman.  A good tradesman and in modern paints, that all might be irrelevant, but it Might be why your old Torry was dark. 

[Heath]

I don't believe that modern paints change that problem all that much... coverage is still a big deal with a lot of colours like oranges, browns, and probably other things. And yeah, using a different colour primer can certainly influence the outcome! A lot of people go for very light grey primers for this reason. Pastel colours like my Ultra Blue have heaps of white in them and this makes the coverage excellent.

 

You definitely want the latest/brightest version of Persian Sand... or honestly just a custom colour that is close, but brighter and more gold/orange.

The dark Persian Sand colour suuuuucked.

[Shiney005]

I knew I had seen a modern Persian Sand on a VF Clubsport somewhere, but I couldn't find anything online about it anywhere.  But then I went to the GM day last weekend and this was parked outside on the street.

 

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I know it looks too red, but I took this photo of a Persian Sand Torana a few minutes later in the same light and it looks similar.

 

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There was also a Mazda Roadpacer there.

 

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I also found this online this morning. This one is in America, so this colour may have only been applied to a few cars here to gauge the publics interest. There sould be the ingredients for a modern version out there somewhere.

 

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[Bigfella237]

Hmm... you know how if you say a word over and over and over it kinda loses its meaning... I'm starting to feel the same way looking at all this Persian Sand!

 

But damn I like that Torana! Only, with everything else blacked-out, I think I would've gone with the SL/R tail lights instead of the SL variant.

[Heath]

Yep, the colour of that 'HOLDIN ON' Torana looks fantastic.

 

Agree about the tail light frame colour.

 

I don't dislike the VF colour, either, but it doesn't look gold enough for me to think of it as Persian Sand. 

[Shiney005]

I don't dislike the VF colour, either, but it doesn't look gold enough for me to think of it as Persian Sand. 

I think you're right Heath, but it is a nice colour regardless. 

[Statler]

I think you're right Heath, but it is a nice colour regardless. 

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. 

 

Personally i'm not a fan of brown. 

[Mid-life Crisis]

Thanks for all the feedback.

 

I have since had a sample sprayed up of the Persian Sand MKII using the GM Paint Code 2G023. The Paint Shop that I got the colour mixed up had all the old Paint Books dating back to the 1930's. Unfortunately, when the sample got sprayed it looked nothing like the original Swatch from the Old GM Book they had, or my Memory. It was a more orange colour and less Bronzy/Brown. 

 

I have since gone back to the Paint Shop and explained the issue. They agreed that the sample they have mixed was nothing like the swatch and mixed a second lot up, just in case they had made an error. It turned up identical to the first mix.

 

So my issue now is to work out what is going on.

 

Surely someone has spayed up a car recently with "Persian Sand MKII" and it turned out the same as the original.

 

As a fall-back plan, the shop spent some time and went through and matched up the closest match to Persian Sand MkII. It is a GM Colour "Zanzibar". I had a swatch of the Zanzibar sprayed up and it looks close to the original "Persian Sand MKII" swatch in the old GM Paint Book.

 

Has anyone suggestions on why the colour would be different, even though the paint Code is correct ......?????

[Mid-life Crisis]

I knew I had seen a modern Persian Sand on a VF Clubsport somewhere, but I couldn't find anything online about it anywhere.  But then I went to the GM day last weekend and this was parked outside on the street.

 

IMG_6126small.JPG

 

I know it looks too red, but I took this photo of a Persian Sand Torana a few minutes later in the same light and it looks similar.

 

IMG_6139.JPG

 

There was also a Mazda Roadpacer there.

 

IMG_6127.JPG

 

I also found this online this morning. This one is in America, so this colour may have only been applied to a few cars here to gauge the publics interest. There sould be the ingredients for a modern version out there somewhere.

 

Konig Interform wheels.jpg

Any Idea what colour the last Pic is.????... the pic labled Konig..... looks great and might do me

Edited by Mid-life Crisis, 17 December 2022 - 04:04 PM.

[Mid-life Crisis]

Any Idea what colour the last Pic is.????... the pic labled Konig..... looks great and might do me

Or even the Colour for the Clubsport would be appreciated

[Mid-life Crisis]

Was your old hatch original paint or had it been resprayed?

 

Also keep in mind that some colours photograph differently to real life and some colours look vastly different depending on how they're lit (sunlight vs. artificial lighting, etc).

 

The original colour you're chasing would depend if your old hatch was a '76 or '77 as to whether it was Persian Sand Mk I or Mk II (and even then, there would've been some overlap. I'm sure). Do you happen to have a photo of the Paint Code from the Body Plate?

 

The other problem is that modern paints don't have lead in them, so if you follow the recipe to the letter the colour ends up different to the original. That's where a professional spray painter comes in, they should be able to colour-match to a sample (except that you don't have a sample, I guess).

 

In the end, if you're not doing a factory resto, just pick a colour you like! It doesn't have to be a Torana colour...

Thanks Andrew,

 

Mine was a MK2 and I don't have a sample. I have had a couple of swatches made up with original paint code and some other options, I really think I need a car (Torana in Persian Sand MK2) to put them against.

 

Pending that I was hoping to potentially find someone who has some experience with old Holdens colours that could match to original

 

Any thoughts?? I am in Tomerong NSW South Coast. Car is in Canberra so that is also an option

[yel327]

I just looked through all my tag photos and couldn't find a nice image of 1925 code paint. As the aim is tag images all I ever did was clean the tags for the photo, so the surrounding paint is all dirty and dusty. Many are wrecking yard images. I'll have a look through my actual tags and see if I have an Acacia Ridge or Dandenong bodied car with original paint on the body ID tag. Failing that I'll ask another tag collector.

[Mid-life Crisis]

I just looked through all my tag photos and couldn't find a nice image of 1925 code paint. As the aim is tag images all I ever did was clean the tags for the photo, so the surrounding paint is all dirty and dusty. Many are wrecking yard images. I'll have a look through my actual tags and see if I have an Acacia Ridge or Dandenong bodied car with original paint on the body ID tag. Failing that I'll ask another tag collector.

Sorry, forgive my ignorance.... what is a 1925 Paint Code...

 

Appreciate your help

[yel327]

1925 is the GMH paint combination code for Persian Sand MKII Metallic all over (ie no white roof). See attached for example

 

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Edited by yel327, 18 December 2022 - 01:14 PM.

[Mid-life Crisis]

1925 is the GMH paint combination code for Persian Sand MKII Metallic all over (ie no white roof). See attached for example

 

L423430 BODY.JPG

Thanks.... now I understand......hope you are able to find one to match mine.... 

[snuff1966]

A bloke in my club just had his HJ painted, it was done as per the ID plate so it would be mk2. I am pretty sure he had it done at Rides customs in Lismore. Might be worth giving them a call to see what they think


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[yel327]

I doubt HJ would be 1925, it should be 1900 as I have never seen any car in 1925 until 11/76 although it may appear earlier as the latest 1900 I have is 9/76. However, if you follow colour charts, you shouldn't be able to get 1925 until colour chart A629 issued for HZ in September 1977. A628 issued in July 1976 for HX still has 1900 (Persian Sand) on it. There are no charts in between. So there must be an amendment letter somewhere for the change. I know there was one to delete 1925 from orders on 31/7/78 along with 1928 (Madeira) 1932 (Ultra Blue) and 1933 (Valencia).

[Mid-life Crisis]

A bloke in my club just had his HJ painted, it was done as per the ID plate so it would be mk2. I am pretty sure he had it done at Rides customs in Lismore. Might be worth giving them a call to see what they think


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Thanks Dave... will give them a Call

[snuff1966]

I doubt HJ would be 1925, it should be 1900 as I have never seen any car in 1925 until 11/76 although it may appear earlier as the latest 1900 I have is 9/76. However, if you follow colour charts, you shouldn't be able to get 1925 until colour chart A629 issued for HZ in September 1977. A628 issued in July 1976 for HX still has 1900 (Persian Sand) on it. There are no charts in between. So there must be an amendment letter somewhere for the change. I know there was one to delete 1925 from orders on 31/7/78 along with 1928 (Madeira) 1932 (Ultra Blue) and 1933 (Valencia).

Ok,  I thought HJ would have been Mk2

[Shiney005]

Any Idea what colour the last Pic is.????... the pic labled Konig..... looks great and might do me

No I don't sorry. I can't find it on current colour charts. Spac had a VS(?) Commodore that was an odd colour. Holden would do a few to see what people thought.

I spent months trying to get the silver and black / grey correct on GTS wheels. The old codes were no good because they had lead in the paint back in the '70s, and without it in the modern two pack paints the colour was always way off.  I was lucky enough to find a NOS rim that had never been used and just went by eye. Actually it was several eyes, a spectrometer, and quite a few colour swatches, but we got it as close as possible.