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[Rockoz]

Mate of mine had a Pontiac that was a tad loud.

His work start times meant sometimes he was leaving for work in the early hours, like around 3 to 4 am.

One of his neighbours made a complaint to EPA about noise.

There were no warnings. Just a date for an inspection.

 

Cops used to use a bit of discretion many moons ago.

It was dependent on how bad the car was and/or your attitude to them.

Really serious defects got a red label, which was tow away only. Serious attitude could also result in a red sticker.

Minor defects got the yellow sticker usually with 7 days or so to have it rectified.

Sometimes the defect could get a fine as well as a sticker. Things like bald tyres could get both.

Other times if you were reasonable, you got a warning, but the cop would remember you and you would be checked out from time to time.

That was more so in areas away from the city.

 

Adz. you are at Picton I see.

Many years ago a license test could be done at Picton cop shop.

If the local cop had an idea who you were and you werent a tool, the process involved nothing more than a carton of beer.

 

Cheers

 

Rob

[axistr]

This matter has been raised / discussed at Council of Motor Club (CMC) meetings and I understand this policeman has been transferred to another area.

 

The defect notice was issued December 2022. Maybe he is still there or they have a new pig at Windsor police station to take his spot. A new recruit   would have a big pair of shoes to fill. 

[Adz1604]

Mate of mine had a Pontiac that was a tad loud.
His work start times meant sometimes he was leaving for work in the early hours, like around 3 to 4 am.
One of his neighbours made a complaint to EPA about noise.
There were no warnings. Just a date for an inspection.

Cops used to use a bit of discretion many moons ago.
It was dependent on how bad the car was and/or your attitude to them.
Really serious defects got a red label, which was tow away only. Serious attitude could also result in a red sticker.
Minor defects got the yellow sticker usually with 7 days or so to have it rectified.
Sometimes the defect could get a fine as well as a sticker. Things like bald tyres could get both.
Other times if you were reasonable, you got a warning, but the cop would remember you and you would be checked out from time to time.
That was more so in areas away from the city.

Adz. you are at Picton I see.
Many years ago a license test could be done at Picton cop shop.
If the local cop had an idea who you were and you werent a tool, the process involved nothing more than a carton of beer.

Cheers

Rob

[Adz1604]

Not sure what happened there
Yes Rob I am in Picton
My wife grew up in one of the houses adjoining the Picton police grounds. Local Stg was the one who issued her a license after a short drive.
Adam

Edited by Adz1604, 06 May 2023 - 03:35 PM.

[gtrboyy]

My car had clips of it driving around on bookface & youtube...was a matter of time before it got pulled in after mechanic got audited & suspended.

 

Funny thing is never got pulled over or defected despite seeing heaps of cop cars even when had been using it as a daily in peak hour traffic.

Edited by gtrboyy, 06 May 2023 - 08:54 PM.

[Rockoz]

My car had clips of it driving around on bookface & youtube...was a matter of time before it got pulled in after mechanic got audited & suspended.

 

Funny thing is never got pulled over or defected despite seeing heaps of cop cars even when had been using it as a daily in peak hour traffic.

 

All depends on what priority tasking the cops are on for the period.

I know a few Harley riders for instance that have done many RBT stops both fixed and mobile, without any drama. Yet at other times they are targeted for noise.

Some of them either have a set of standard pipes, or share some within a group to fit for the EPA noise test day.

My brother was doing a good bit of work making cars quieter after they were defected. Then changing them back after passing the test.

 

Cheers

 

Rob

[Redslur]

Not being a stick in the mud, but it is about time clubs and their member's cars got audited. (I must say most clubs are good, however plenty push the envelope for sure). Plus, the general modified car culture public. I say this as there are too many spoiling it for us who try to do the right thing. I am referring to the outrageously modified cars with shit hanging out of the bonnet, massive engines, the wog low dumped arse cars and airbag pieces of crap that can be dropped to the ground to mention a few. Now I am no saint and had my share of modified cars, but they are always 90% right, safe and don't draw attention to the authorities. It is just a pity that these so called groups make it hard for the rest of us. 

[Heath]

This thread is so fucked up, it gives me the severe heebeegeebees.

I don't ever want to drive a NSW-registered modified car in NSW.

[yel327]

The problem isn't HSW registered Heath. It's NSW modified conditional registered (club rego) that is the problem.

[Dr Terry]

The problem isn't HSW registered Heath. It's NSW modified conditional registered (club rego) that is the problem.

Disagree yel327. The modified conditional scheme is not really a "problem". The bigger issue is illegally modified cars that can't get onto normal (full) rego or even modified rego, they "hide" on Historic rego because there, they don't need a Blue Slip. Bodgie Blue Slips are another issue again.

 

Dr Terry

[IanC]

Yes my mate was telling me the same thing. My car although unmodified hasn't been registered for the last 26 years. He told me I don't need a Blue slip if it goes straight on club rego. I didn't believe it until till Dr Terry just posted. It seems wrong to me that there is no inspection. But a lot less of a worry come rego time.

[yel327]

Disagree yel327. The modified conditional scheme is not really a "problem". The bigger issue is illegally modified cars that can't get onto normal (full) rego or even modified rego, they "hide" on Historic rego because there, they don't need a Blue Slip. Bodgie Blue Slips are another issue again.

 

Dr Terry

 

That's exactly what I meant Dr Terry. Modified cars put on conditional rego that shouldn't be allowed on the road. I don't think it matters if its blue or pink slip, they are supposed to have the exact same inspection done, the only difference is the blue slip establishes the identity of the car as well as the roadworthy inspection whereas the pink slip is just a roadworthy on a car that is already registered in your name or business name or whatever.

 

When I looked at starting my own club with my mate, so we could have a few cars between us on cheaper rego (like my Premier and his XU1 and a few others), all we had to do was state in the club constitution that each car needed a pink slip each year rather than have an internal club appointed inspector. There was other administration stuff required but the pink slip thing made it heaps easier. Unless obtained pink slips were dodgy there was no way an LH Torana with a blower out the bonnet and wheels wider than 7" was going to pass a legitimate pink slip anyway. The other big benefit out of using club rego is you could go and buy a $75k Camaro or similar and put it straight on club rego with a pink slip, meaning there was no NSW Stamp Duty to pay.

[Dr Terry]

It's not necessarily the cars with the blowers out the bonnet that are the problem, the coppers get onto those pretty quickly. The problem cars are the ones with serious engine swaps or chassis mods that look standard on the outside, yet haven't been engineered.

 

The main difference between a Blue slip & a Pink slip is with the latter, an engine cert is not required to be cited. It's just a safety check is all.

 

I believe the stamp duty thing happens with CVS rego as well as Historic.

 

Dr Terry

[bat 53]

so is that the same for wa 

[yel327]

The main difference between a Blue slip & a Pink slip is with the latter, an engine cert is not required to be cited. It's just a safety check is all.

 

I believe the stamp duty thing happens with CVS rego as well as Historic.

 

Dr Terry

 

Really? The only difference I have ever seen is the identity check on the blue slip ie chassis number and engine number plus other details. Both have the same safety inspection part don't they? The onus is on the owner when they modify the car whether it needs an Engineer's Report or it is self-Engineered (as in 253 converted to 308 or similar).

So that would mean that the only time in NSW that it would get picked up that a car required Engineering would be when it is out of rego for 3 months ie goes for a new rego (blue slip) rather than re-rego (pink slip)? I'd imagine that in either the blue or pink slip case any decent inspector would knock a car back if they spotted mods requiring Engineering that there was no Engineer's report in the glovebox for? Like a 9" diff, wheels wider or taller than allowed under self-engineering etc. etc.

 

It must have changed since I last had a car on club rego, back then there was no stamp duty until you put the car on full rego. However those were club issued plates not RMS issued plates.

[Dr Terry]

Really? The only difference I have ever seen is the identity check on the blue slip ie chassis number and engine number plus other details. Both have the same safety inspection part don't they? The onus is on the owner when they modify the car whether it needs an Engineer's Report or it is self-Engineered (as in 253 converted to 308 or similar).

So that would mean that the only time in NSW that it would get picked up that a car required Engineering would be when it is out of rego for 3 months ie goes for a new rego (blue slip) rather than re-rego (pink slip)? I'd imagine that in either the blue or pink slip case any decent inspector would knock a car back if they spotted mods requiring Engineering that there was no Engineer's report in the glovebox for? Like a 9" diff, wheels wider or taller than allowed under self-engineering etc. etc.

 

It must have changed since I last had a car on club rego, back then there was no stamp duty until you put the car on full rego. However those were club issued plates not RMS issued plates.

There is quite a difference between a Pink Slip & a Blue Slip in NSW.

 

The Blue Slip is a bit like the old RTA "Pit Inspection", they check everything, including identity (as you said).

 

The Pink Slip is just a safety check, obvious things like wider wheels, excessively lowered suspension & blowers out of the bonnet will get picked, but many things will "go under the radar" because they outside of the scope of the inspection. The 2 items that I always quote are reversing lights & w/washers, neither are required for a Pink slip.

 

The engineering thing is a bit subjective. Any obvious mods then the Pink Slip inspector would want to see a cert. Anything "hidden" will go unnoticed.

 

Dr Terry

[Rockoz]

I know a bloke who has a very heavily modified car that would never pass a roadworthy for either full or club rego.

However he regularly drives it legally on the road.

Most times he heads out he gets pulled over by Highway Patrol.

He always gets to drive off without any issues apart from the cops usually having a good look at the car for their own interest rather than compliance.

It is basically a drag car that he puts street legal tyres onto for driving on the street.

 

How does he do it?

 

An unregistered vehicle permit.

They only have to comply with very basic roadworthy items to be issued.

 

Cheers

 

Rob

[yel327]

There is quite a difference between a Pink Slip & a Blue Slip in NSW.

 

The Blue Slip is a bit like the old RTA "Pit Inspection", they check everything, including identity (as you said).

 

The Pink Slip is just a safety check, obvious things like wider wheels, excessively lowered suspension & blowers out of the bonnet will get picked, but many things will "go under the radar" because they outside of the scope of the inspection. The 2 items that I always quote are reversing lights & w/washers, neither are required for a Pink slip.

 

The engineering thing is a bit subjective. Any obvious mods then the Pink Slip inspector would want to see a cert. Anything "hidden" will go unnoticed.

 

Dr Terry

 

I must say I haven't had to do this for a long time for a powered vehicle so things have changed. Last time I registered an unregistered vehicle I either built or bought all you needed was a pink slip - this was in that period after the RTA "pits" all closed. I think the last vehicle for me at that time was a WB cab-chassis that I'd built and it needed only a pink slip (plus a Police issued chassis number). At that time if you changed an engine you just went to the registry and one of the counter jockeys would read the engine number - lots of 253 and 308 registered with 12784563 as the engine number back then. I remember rocking up with my MQ Patrol ute with a 302 SBC (bored out 283) and TH400 slotted in. They just read the engine number, changed the capacity on the rego from 4.0L to 4.6L and I was on my way.

 

The only need for blue or brown slips for me in the last decade have been for my box trailer and car trailer when I increased their GVW, and then required the blue slip (and I think brown for the car trailer as it went to 3000kg). The need was for the change to GVW and I assume acknowledgment of the Engineer's Report for the box trailer (car trailer done by the manufacturer so no report required).

[axistr]

There is quite a difference between a Pink Slip & a Blue Slip in NSW.

 

The Blue Slip is a bit like the old RTA "Pit Inspection", they check everything, including identity (as you said).

 

The Pink Slip is just a safety check, obvious things like wider wheels, excessively lowered suspension & blowers out of the bonnet will get picked, but many things will "go under the radar" because they outside of the scope of the inspection. The 2 items that I always quote are reversing lights & w/washers, neither are required for a Pink slip.

 

The engineering thing is a bit subjective. Any obvious mods then the Pink Slip inspector would want to see a cert. Anything "hidden" will go unnoticed.

 

Dr Terry

 

NSW Pink slip inspections must include any original manufactures items fitted under the ADR regulations , either on the data plate or spec sheet, and of course safety inspection. Windscreen washers, reverse lights, windscreen demister operation, wipers, emission systems, brake operation, transmission inhibitor switches and light, blinkers, lights correctly aimed and dipped, exhaust systems and the list goes on.

 

I often talk to owners at car shows that bang on how their car is 100% legal. In under ten seconds I generally notice the car has no heater blower, no washer jets, no transmission gear position indicator or light, and the list goes on. When I tell them of these very noticeable thing without even starting or getting inside the car the owners always tell me they are not required for rego. Pffff   

 

Authorized inspections station examiners just aren't doing their job properly (some but not all). Have a look in the RMS inspection station rule book. If you have an old car that wasn't fitted from factory with windscreen washers then they will not be rejected for rego, however if the owner fitted an aftermarket windscreen washer kit to the car than they are required to work, no if's or buts.

 

The authorized examiner during a pink slip is required to visually inspect for changes to the vehicle that may require a blue slip or engineering inspection. During a pink slip inspection you are required to also check the VIN & engine numbers to ensure the inspection is being carried out on the correct vehicle presented, otherwise someone could present the vehicle for rego and change the plates with a similar car. If you had a heavily modified LH and borrowed a mates stock LX with your plates on it you could get around the system. A quick visible check of VIN and engine numbers to ensure its the correct vehicle and have not been tampered with.

 

The difference between a Pink and blue slips is the blue slip requires the recording of these numbers and digs deeper into ADR compliance and referring the vehicle to an alternative inspection if faults in compliance are found. Police or RMS if irregularities with VIN & engine numbers are found, and engineer if modifications outside OEM of certified aftermarket products.

[Gatti]

Adz1604 our cars look very similar and I am also on NSW modified club rego so I will be keeping an eye on this thread to see how you go.

 

What club is your car registered through?

 

Best of luck with your inspection 

[Adz1604]

Adz1604 our cars look very similar and I am also on NSW modified club rego so I will be keeping an eye on this thread to see how you go.

What club is your car registered through?

Best of luck with your inspection

Thanks
Inspection is tomorrow so I will update after. Hopefully everything should be fine


Everything works as it should, and the original blue slip 3 years ago was thorough the owner of the business completed the inspection and had built a few Torana’s in his time, selling them to buy the business. He mentioned that the front blinkers were the right colour (orange) and commenting that he thought the clear ones looked nicer but if they were in there he would fail the inspection. with first a visual check over then checking all lights, wipers, washers, heater, all belts buckled up correctly seats all bolted in using all bolts then on to checking steering and suspension using the jack then up on the hoist checking for any anything underneath including bushes, mounts, leaks, brake lines again steering and suspension then off the hoist and drive test. The first year he picked me on the number plate light which had just came loose and last year he got me on the front D/S blinker which was a rare spares one and for some reason I couldn’t get it to work so replaced it with the old original one and had to take it back.
I don’t know how they make money doing these inspections. He honestly spent well over an hour for less then $50. You can probably see why some inspections may not be carried out as thorough. The pink slips each year take him about 45 mins inspections are pretty much the same so I know what to inspect for I think $30. Surely you can’t run a business at $50 an hour and keep the doors open

Edited by Adz1604, 12 May 2023 - 06:50 AM.

[yel327]

I'd say you'll be fine, and you can go in to bat for the blue slip/pink slip provider if they find something obscure and try to stomp on him.

[Adz1604]

I'd say you'll be fine, and you can go in to bat for the blue slip/pink slip provider if they find something obscure and try to stomp on him.

Thanks
Last inspection was just under 12 months ago. Anything could of been modified in that time
I have the renewal papers here and haven’t taken it for an inspection just incase. like anything if they want to find something wrong I am sure they can.

[axistr]

I never made my hourly rate or any decent money doing rego's. It was to keep my regular customers for going elsewhere. Time and time again the shonks would tell customers the mechanic you have been using is doing a crap job and that they would fix the car for X amount of dollars just to get a quick buck and not even do the work. The customer is held at ransom because they fill out a rejection slip so the car has to come back to them. So the customer just pays the bill so they can get their car registered for another year.

[Bigfella237]

The place where I did my apprenticeship, the boss had a white cane and a pair of Coke-bottle glasses (really thick-lenses) hanging on the wall, which he jokingly called the pink slip inspection kit!

 

A 45 minute long inspection would be the exception, rather than the rule. Most times the car didn't even go on the hoist. A lot depended on whether it was a regular customer as well.

 

I'd reckon your blue slip guy was more interested in having a look over the Torana because it was a Torana, which is why it was such a thorough inspection. Half the time a copper will pull you over just because he wants to look at the car rather than something sinister, but that also comes down to whether you pass or fail the attitude test too.