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[claysummers]

Bloke reckons he has a white hot special in HT ute. Body plate has an S instead of a C for coupe.


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[dattoman]

Souper ute

[claysummers]

I thought the White Hot Special HT promotion was sedan only.


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[yel327]

I don’t remember seeing coupe on any ute body plate?

White hot special (price) were all V8 Kingswood sedans. All white, two trim colours. All standard HT V8 Kingswood sedans, only thing special was the price!

[claysummers]

Yes, he is a tripper. My friend bought a very clean HG shell from him.


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[Dr Terry]

I don’t remember seeing coupe on any ute body plate?

White hot special (price) were all V8 Kingswood sedans. All white, two trim colours. All standard HT V8 Kingswood sedans, only thing special was the price!

They had Coupe Utility on the Compliance plate. AFAIK all utes did from 1/1/70 until around VZ

 

They weren't "standard HT V8 Kingswood sedans", they were optioned to include front disc brakes, sports wheel discs (GTS wheel trims) & white wall tyres. I believe a motorised heater demister was also standard, but I can't confirm that.

 

Dr Terry

[yel327]

They had Coupe Utility on the Compliance plate. AFAIK all utes did from 1/1/70 until around VZ

 

They weren't "standard HT V8 Kingswood sedans", they were optioned to include front disc brakes, sports wheel discs (GTS wheel trims) & white wall tyres. I believe a motorised heater demister was also standard, but I can't confirm that.

 

Dr Terry

 

 

Yes they had Coupe Utility on the Compliance plate, assuming it was a 1970 build. But not on the Body plate as claimed.

 

By standard I meant it wasn't a special vehicle package or special model or labelled as such like the later Vacationers or similar. Just a simple standard HT V8 Kingswood with a few relatively common options. Being offered at a white-hot special price. Funnily enough, over the years I have seen more HT-HG V8 Kingswood sedans optioned with M21 (which also made buckets and console shift mandatory) than I have white hot specials! I even saved one of these from a demo derby, only to cut it up myself as a donor.

[claysummers]

Compliance plate it is. I’m used to the earlier cars which only have a body yak and chassis stamping.


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[claysummers]

This is what my mate ended up getting. Motor not included but threw in v8 m20 for $5k. The body is excellent but it is pretty much a bare shell. It has doors and tailgate.


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[claysummers]

$200 parts car.
Add another $200 for fuel.


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[yel327]

This is what my mate ended up getting. Motor not included but threw in v8 m20 for $5k. The body is excellent but it is pretty much a bare shell. It has doors and tailgate.


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Is it a 6cyl or V8 model? It looks like a 4spd car either way. Should have a gearshift rod clearance hump in the floor.

[RallyRed]

Not a bad old jigger there Clay

[yel327]

It's got extra holes in the firewall and radiator support, may have had A/C on it at some stage too.

[Dr Terry]

By standard I meant it wasn't a special vehicle package or special model or labelled as such like the later Vacationers or similar. Just a simple standard HT V8 Kingswood with a few relatively common options. Being offered at a white-hot special price. 

I don't have much sales paperwork from that era, but I'd be quite surprised if it didn't have a package number ID of some type, just to expedite ordering procedures.

 

Dr Terry

[claysummers]

No tags on it Byron. It has factory floor shift hole. The story is that it was last registered in NT when defected in 1987. At the time it had running gear from a v8 Monaro. Still has 19mm sway bar, booster bracket, disc stubs and hubs, prop valve and banjo LSD in it. Tim my friend will be picking it up in the next few weeks.


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[yel327]

No tags on it Byron. It has factory floor shift hole. The story is that it was last registered in NT when defected in 1987. At the time it had running gear from a v8 Monaro. Still has 19mm sway bar, booster bracket, disc stubs and hubs, prop valve and banjo LSD in it. Tim my friend will be picking it up in the next few weeks.


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If it has a floor shift hole then it's a 4spd car, no such thing as console shift in a commercial in HK-HG (or HQ until Sandman) so can't be auto. It has the speedo cable hole for a Saginaw or V8 Powerglide which is what I spotted initially. Most likely a banjo so it will be either a 6cyl 4spd or a V8 4spd. It could potentially have been a 308 too if it's a later HT, in which case it'd have telltales for a Salisbury. It's a 50/50 proposition of being either a 253 4spd or 186/186S 4spd. If you get its chassis number I can approx date it, also look to see if it has hole on the driver side for a compliance plate or if it just has the holes for VIN and BODY tags.

 

V8 Monaro running gear would normally be 253 3spd or auto. Not that much to what was original in it!

 

If he needs tags to simply make it look right a rusty HT ute isn't hard to find. Not really condonable on valuable stuff, but if its just some tags to fill the holes and he's not trying to swindle anyone I doubt it'll matter. 

Edited by yel327, 25 September 2024 - 04:57 PM.

[yel327]

I don't have much sales paperwork from that era, but I'd be quite surprised if it didn't have a package number ID of some type, just to expedite ordering procedures.

 

Dr Terry

 

I've never seen any. It might have had a code but not sure, like you I suspect there was something but it's possible there wasn't. It's not really anything special, they just needed to tick a few option boxes on the order form and add hundreds the same to the schedule with alternate trim. Bit different to some of the other packages where you got things not normally available on the base vehicle. Like GTS's guards and steering wheel plus special paint and trim on HQ XV2. Or bench with arm rests on some of the HQ Vacationers.

[claysummers]

Great info thanks.


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[yel327]

There is a dude selling a HT ute firewall cut for rust repair sections in Gunnedah NSW on Foolbook. It has all 3 x tags on it, if your mate just wants some old ute tags to cover the holes. They'll never match the car but I doubt anyone would ever care especially if it's a modified and he only uses the body and vin tags. Long way from you though!

[claysummers]

Thanks Byron. I don’t think he is too fussed about the tags, but I’ll let him know.


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HG tags would be better I suppose.


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The shell is HG, forgot to mention.


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[yel327]

It almost has to be a 253 M21 if its HG. You couldn't order a 6cyl 4spd commercial in HG. There is a slim chance of being a 308 manual but very unlikely, GMH started to make L31 M21 very limited outside of GTS during HG as that combination was basically gone from the start of 1971 - it wasn't offered on HG commercial post HQ release plus they had ordered only a certain amount of GMH V8 M21 setups with the box and shifter coming from North America. They wanted to keep what they had so they could keep building HG V8 GTS until HQ volume production started.

[claysummers]

GM M21 Muncie then?


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[yel327]

Muncie will fit, but GMH called the Muncie MC7 and it was an M20 Muncie in HQ they called MC7. What GMH called M21 is the close ratio Saginaw with 2.54;1 first gear (there are 3-4 other ratio sets from memory), what GMH called M22 is 2.85:1 1st gear.

[claysummers]

Thanks Byron


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[Shiney005]

What GMH called M21 is the close ratio Saginaw with 2.54;1 first gear (there are 3-4 other ratio sets from memory), what GMH called M22 is 2.85:1 1st gear.

Are you talking Aussie 4 speeds here Byron or American built Saginaws?